(cont.) I remember as a child going to the glass and peeking at the orcas and other animals at the park and being so fascinated. I had a friend whose mom was a trainer and for three years I wanted to be one as well (before I discovered i liked math more).
Anyways I guess I just want to say that I appreciate that not everyone is hating on SeaWorld after the movie, as it seems Tumblr always sides with the real life minority.
I recently saw non captive whales in Hawaii and Alaska within the past year, but I was very fortunate. We had an educated guide with great info, not everyone can spend that much on vacay. Parks should remain open for those who can’t afford ‘real’ whales.
I saw Tilly (at least thats what staff said) the other day when I went to SeaWorld and he was literally just basically floating in the tank. I feel so bad they don’t let him do as many shows anymore :(
As for SeaWorld/OSHA, couldn’t they just do a better job informing the trainers of the risk? There are plenty of dangerous jobs (mining, crabbing in Alaska, prosports players who can get easily injured) and I’ll admit I don’t follow OSHA, but aren’t they kind of similar? IF SeaWorld told them they were taking a risk with the job and gave them safety sessions and such wouldn’t that make it okay? (work wise, not captivity wise, that’s another topic)
First off anon, thank you for taking the time to come to my blog and send a lovely long message (thought I’d done something wrong when all the message notifications popped up!).
I agree that its nice in a way that not everyone is hating on SeaWorld after Blackfish, I think mostly everyone wants whats best for these animals, we just have differing opinions on what that is!
I also agree that not everyone can afford “real” whales, as trips to Alaska (for example) are expensive, and not everyone can justify to travel all that way “just” for whale watching, whereas it is easier to justify spending a day at SeaWorld as part of a longer vacation. For instance in Florida spending a day at SeaWorld when you’re in Orlando for Walt Disney World, Universal and all the other theme parks in the area. At least this is the case for me. My family isn’t interested in travelling a long way “just” to see whales. We’ve been whale watching in various places but only when we’re in the area as part of a wider vacation (for instance we went whale watching while in South California visiting the theme parks and cities).
I also feel bad for Tilikum, but at the same time I’m also not sure what’s best for him right now or into the future, not that it’s for me to decide.
OSHA is a tricky one, being from the UK I am completely uninformed on American health and safety laws, regulations, bodies etc so find the whole thing difficult to follow. I don’t know if they consider telling the trainers of the risk to be reducing the risk. Even so, you are correct in saying there are very dangerous jobs out there that we let continue despite many deaths. Coal mining is a prevalent one that comes to mind but coal is one of the backbones of the modern world so I doubt they’ll ever stop mining it (until it runs out I guess). I’m not sure if the comparison is 100% fair though.
Personally I don’t really want to see waterwork return in shows, I prefer it without, but I know I’m not in the majority with this view. However I do feel it is important to allow close contact between whales and trainers for things such as medical examinations.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to message me, it’s always nice to hear people’s express their opinions on the subject in a calm and reasoned way!
NARWHALS NARWHALS SWIMMING IN THE OCEAN
CAUSING A COMMOTION
BECAUSE THEY ARE SO AWESOME
Orcas have attacked people in the wild, quit saying that there’s not a single instance of it happening. There may only be one well documented incident, but as many people have said in the past, they do not interact with humans in the wild even half as much as they do in captivity. There are a few other incidents that are not quite as well documented.
Also, there are things that happen in the wild that are said to be “curiosity,” yet, if that happened in captivity it would be deemed aggressive. Bumping into a person or mouthing something are 2 good examples.
The way things get manipulated just to prove the anticaps side of things is just obnoxious.
Its one my pet peeves too, when people completely disregard/manipulate certain facts to improve their argument. Really the quote ‘No orca has ever attacked a person in the wild’ should be stopped and if its really so important to be used maybe changed to, ‘No orca has ever killed a person in the wild’ (Also the reason there probably is no human deaths might be due to the fact orca are evolved to eat certain prey depending on their location and humans aren’t on the menu!) although really the point is moot and arguments between pro/anti should not be based on this.
Interaction with orca is everyday in captivity, in the wild its no where close to that its impossible to compare the two.
(just throwing in an anti-cap opinion here)
"Ex-SeaWorld trainer Sam Berg, now 45, said: “There has not been a single incident of killer whales harming humans in the wild.
"In captivity, it’s happened more than 70 times.”
She added: “Tilikum is not an evil animal – he is a highly intelligent, emotionally complex mammal. And we’ve made him psychotic.”
Orcas are killer whales in captivity.Every time I hear this “fact” about killer whales never harming humans in the wild I wonder how many opportunities the wild orcas have to harm humans. Not many I am sure. Hmmm
There’s been a couple of cases of wild killer whales attempting to harm people, but no one wants to acknowledge them apparently.
One must consider the factor of curiosity vs. out right aggression as well, and what factors could have led to any provocative behavior from a killer whale in the wild.
What are those cases, if you don’t mind me asking?
and even still, the numbers of the situations in captivity far surpass that of any in the wild.
Do any of you people even know where this photo is from and the story behind it?
The name of the woman who’s leg this is?
Her name is Annette Godsey, she was a secretary at SeaWorld, and was riding Shamu (the original) for a publicity stunt when things went wrong and she was bitten as seen in the photo. There are numerous sources including this one.
As for the wild incidents Wikipedia has a list of incidents between humans and orcas both wild and captive here. It also mentions the incident with Annette. Obviously it is Wikipedia so…
New video about Morgan released by Loro Parque on the 2nd anniversary of her arriving at the park.
Hey there! I’m very well thank you, although I appreciate the offer of a talk :)
That’s a good question… Keiko’s release is an obvious one. I followed his release pretty closely and was absolutely devastated when he died. I think lots of people were.
Another cetacean story that just came to mind, though not about captive orcas was the Thames Whale. In 2006 a female Northern bottlenose whale was found swimming in the Thames in London, obviously lost and distressed. I remember vividly watching the story on the news and wanting desperately to go and help. Sadly I wasn’t allowed so I just sat watching the 24hr rolling news, watching her rescue. Sadly she didn’t make it, but that story really sticks with me because everyone was talking about this one whale. It was almost …inspiring? Her skeleton is at the Natural History Museum in London if anyone is interested.
I hope you’ve had a lovely day SS :)
These are awesome; the whole “captivity misconception” thing. Please make more of these!
I certainly will! Glad you like them :)
Due to a lot of recent media coverage, many people are talking about Tilikum but not all of these people are good at identifying whales (some of them have no need to be of course). So here’s a quick list of some of the most common photos I see with Tilikum’s name wrongly attached.
This image has often been used with Tilikum’s name attached, including a few times on Instagram recently. This is in fact Kandu VII, an orca who lived at Marineland Canada until his death in 2005. I searched and searched for a source for this photo but there’s so many versions of it on the web that it was impossible. If this is your photo please message me so I can credit you properly.
The photo above is another often used for Tilikum, this one is actually Kyuquot (Ky for short) who lives at SeaWorld San Antonio and is in fact Tilikum’s first offspring, so there is some resemblance. Again I searched for ages for a source of this photo but there’s so many versions of it online that it was impossible. If this is your photo please message me so I can credit you properly.
There are many points in Blackfish where footage of another orca is substituted for Tilikum. I have something planned which documents this, so I won’t go into details here but I have seen a few people talk about this image used on some of the posters for Blackfish:This is actually Keiko, not Tilikum as frequently stated.
These are some of the more common ones, I’ll probably do a second part for this another time.
Thanks to stealth-whale, aaronflybox & lost-in-simblrbrooke for helping double check IDs.
Translation: " In Krasnoyarsk airport en route from Vladivostok to Moscow visited killer whales
December 2, 2013
Topics : Social
In Krasnoyarsk airport ” Emelyanovo ” made a special flight stopover “Vladivostok- Krasnoyarsk -Moscow”, on which the capital airport “Vnukovo” delivered two killer whales . They are transported to the construction site of the OCE ‘s largest oceanarium in Europe , said the press service of the flight company serving ” Interport “.
Aboard cargo aircraft IL-76 airline ” Volga-Dnepr ” from origin to destination orcas transported in special tanks with sea water and ice. Stop in Krasnoyarsk lasted 2:00 . After that, the plane flew to Moscow . In total marine mammals been on the road for more than 10 hours.
Seven year old girl named Narnia , a length of about 5 meters and weighs 2.7 tons , and the boy - about 1.7 tons in weight , will be the largest oceanarium tenants . In captivity, killer whales , also known as killer whale (killer whale), found only in four locations around the world , the OCE will be the fifth .”
Orlando: SeaWorld, Shamu show taking break next year
“One Ocean,” SeaWorld Orlando’s iconic killer-whale show, will be taking a break in early 2014.
I really hope it isn’t more fast rising floors. Perhaps it’s something for the 50th? I highly doubt it though.